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Question Number: 3423

Kicks From The Penalty mark

Barrett Meiselman of Modesto, CA USA asks...

I'm having trouble reconciling the responses to questions 3406 and 3413, both dealing with the outcome of kicks taken from the penalty mark to decide a match...In question 3406, the ball rebounded from the cross bar away from the goal line, then bounced off the unlucky goal keeper's back and into the goal. The consensus was the goal counted, as it was all one continuous action...In question 3413, the ball rebounded from the goal post away from the goal line, was fumbled by the keeper and then entered the goal. The consensus was to disallow the goal, as when the ball ceased to move forward toward the goal, it was a dead ball...Did I miss something, or am I just confused? It seems to me that the two scenarios are so similar they would require the same interpretation...Thanks for your response,and thanks for the great web site, as always.

Answer provided by Referee Stacy Kalstrom

Hi Barrett,..I'm afraid that I missed both of those questions on the site, but based on your quick description, I would allow both goals to stand. Thanks for the kind words about the site and for visiting.

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Answer provided by Referee Keith Contarino

Hi, since I answered both those I'll try to explain. 3406 is clear to me that the ball is still alive. 3413 deals with a 10 year old rec player and my answer dealt with the referee's decision being final. There is no law that states once the ball moves away from the goal it's dead. The U-11 rec question implied that the ball was dead and the young keeper then fumbled it into the net even though the person that submitted the question thought there was no control by the young keeper, I'm assuming the referee thought there was. The call could have gone either way and in my response I indicate I couldn't comment on it without seeing it. As long as the ball is contacting the ground, the crossbar, or the keeper, it may be considered live. My point was that once the referee decides it's over, it's over as far as kicks from the mark are concerned.

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Answer provided by Referee Dawson

Hi Barret, ..As you can see when we assume things it is not always cut and dried. I too would think as does Referee Kalstrom a mishandled rebound could be considered live and the goal would count but could also see a hasty whistle to signal the PK is over and the keeper tossing it in. Have a peek at Q@A #3419 it deals with some of this and sights other examples. Cheers

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