Question Number: 15906

Kicks From The Penalty mark 6/27/2007

RE: Fun Adult

Scott Crittenden of Broken Hill, NSW Australia asks...

This question is a follow up to question 8298

If a player who was off the field at the end of extra time takes one of the kicks from the mark and it is realised after the kick has been taken is the kick retaken by another player if it is a goal, counted as a miss if it misses or does that team lose the game instantly for allowing the player to take the kick as they were not on the field of play at the end of extra time?

Answer provided by Referee Richard Dawson

Hi Scott,
I think it is important to realize the match is over, the shoot out is held soley to determine a winner. Now if a shoot out is improper the entire match can be ordered to be replayed. A referee who creates this by not recognizing what has occurred has wasted 1 and 1/2 hours of possibly great effort from all parties and created a mess which maybe lead to further issues.

Assuming we miss this event before, if an illegal substitution or an extra player snuck on and was discovered immediately after the pk shot we must caution and remove the culprit then if necessary find out who was replaced and thus left without permission if possible to also caution them. If either was to recieve a second caution to be sent off it does not bring into play an adjusting of equate since one team might be down a man prior to the 1st kick being taken because they ended the match on equal terms only which after the ilegal activity took place.

No result can be accepted good or bad UNLESS the goal or miss was discovered later in the order. Then it cannot be undone but likely protested if the result is unfavourable to the team that did not cheat or perhaps ordered to be replayed by the league review committee

If it was a miss or a goal and the opposing team lost either result is protestable.

If the miss or goal does not affect the winning outcome for the opposing team no need to protest. It might be allowed to stand

I disgree though to abandon a match as suggested by others the point of a shoot out is to achieve a result. If we abandond then there can be no result. Yes the result is tainted but if the team that did not cheat comes out ahead perhaps only sanctions against the team for its unethical actions.

If the shootout is found to be improper then a replay might be ordered and that would be unfair to the team that did not cheat if they had won that shoot out as .

The referee has no authority to declare a loser or a winner simply report what occurs in the match report and the league will take the necessary action.
Cheers

Answer provided by Referee Ben Mueller

This is a big time screw up by the referees. The extra player is cautioned and his/her kick is retaken by a correct player. This is poor management on the part of the referees.

Answer provided by Referee Chuck Fleischer

Events such as this are so unlikely to happen, should the referee follow CORRECT procedure during his match that FIFA have not addressed them in their Q&A or what follows it. The number of referee screwups that need to happen will usually preclude this happening. First thing is positioning assistants where they can prevent substitutes from entering and see whe a player is leaving at the end of time or extra time. This happens in the prematch instructions. Second is at the end of time or extra time the players go to the centre circle. These two things will prevent what happened in your scenario.

Regards,

Answer provided by Referee Steve Montanino

Eeek!

Aside from everything written above, which I agree with 100% - the referee would report every single detail about what occured in his match report. This would provide a basis for an appeal of the game, but the referee would not be able to undue the damage done unless he caught the culprit before this happened..

It's like Ug Lee says...
"Get it right or pay the price!"

Answer provided by Referee MrRef

We posed this question to US Soccer and here are some of their Unofficial responses:

Technically, if an unauthorized player enters the field and takes the kick and the referee does not notice it until after the opponent has kicked, the referee must stop the taking of kicks and declare the match abandoned. A full report regarding the situation must be submitted.

In your scenario, the other answer is defensible as a matter of Law. I might be inclined, strictly unofficially and only if I could "sell it," to go back to square 1 -- either in the entire KFTM process or the start of the pairing in which the illegal person participated. What would help to get agreement is (1) if the other team had missed its paired shot and thereby gets another whack at it (justifiable to me as punishment for the other team's misconduct -- although (1) the officials have to share the blame and (2) the alternative
is the otherwise more unpalatable option of abandonment."

You might want to pose this question to your National Organisation.