Question Number: 25190

Kicks From The Penalty mark 7/10/2011

RE: Other

Titus van Wieren of Torri di Quartesolo, VI Italy asks...

This question is a follow up to question 25167

You have again not read or could it be that you don't understand the rules of the game, I would think it is the first but to make things clear you may follow the link of the referee association of Trentino Alto Aldige:

http://www.aia-taa.it/?p=402

In regards to your comment as to the point:

rimbalza sulla linea di porta, tra i pali e sotto la traversa: Larbitro deve aspettare fino a che la corsa del pallone sia finita e, se oltrepassa interamente la linea di porta, tra i pali e sotto la traversa, convalida la rete.

This clearly states:

If the ball bounces of the goal line between the posts and the crossbar, the referee must wait until the corse of the ball in finished and if it passes the goal line (completely) between the posts and under the crossbar, THE GOAL IS VALID.

This is not what happened in Trento, this is what happened:

rimbalza indietro in gioco: il periodo di gioco ha termine.

If the ball bounces back into the area of play, the period of time of the play has terminated.

These are just correct translations. It is not I that are making these comments but I am getting this directly off the web sites of the powers of referees here in Italy.

Although one may comment or say or think what they want. I would consider the USA the dominant power of knowledge of Baseball rules, and Football rules (NFL) but when it comes to soccer, I am sorry give the Italians credit, THEY HAVE WON 4 WORLD CUPS!

Answer provided by Referee Gene Nagy

Titus, I fail to see the logic in your last statement that since Italy won the World Cup four times, any Italian or Italian authority is superior to whoever may be on this website, especially Americans. This does not make sense.
Just for the record I am NOT an American; this is an international site, staffed by volunteers from different countries, including USA.
As far as the ball 'bouncing' back into play from a PK surely the play is over. What must be judged is if the MOMENTUM of the ball delivered to it by the kick carries the ball into the net. It is entirely possible that the ball hits the underside of the crossbar and the ball lands ON THE FIELD by a good meter but the backspin causes the ball to fly into the net. This is a goal. It was the kick that made it go in, not another player.

Answer provided by Referee Keith Contarino

Italy may have won 4 World Cups but the game was invented in England and the Laws Of The Game are written by the IFAB NOT any Italian association.The IFAB is made up of FIFA, The FA, The Scottish FA,The FA of Wales, and The Irish FA. FIFA and the IFAB have steadily gotten tired of Member Associations issuing edicts contrary to the Laws Of The Game. Italy is a member Association. What does winning 4 World Cups have to do with understanding or following the LOTG? The New York Yankees have won more World Series than any team. Do they get to change the rules that in Yankee Stadium we play with 4 outs per side per inning?

I cannot read Italian but I can read the Laws Of The Game as can you. Perhaps you can't understand simple English. Look at page 3 Modifications. Do you see anywhere there that a modification stating the Referee does NOT decide when a penalty kick has been completed? Do you see there any modification allowed for Law 14 or Kicks From The Penalty Mark? I don't and you don't either. What referees on this site and every soccer site I can access have said is very simple: if as you state, the Italian association of Trentino Alto Aldige ruled that the goal in question was NOT valid, they have made an illegal modification of the LOTG without permission of the IFAB. Also, I believe the AIA has changed the wording so this mistake will not happen again.

I am American, Gene Nagy is Canadian, Joe McHugh is Irish, Jason Wright is Australian. We all agree in each of our countries, this was a valid goal. On other sites I have seen referees from Germany, Sweden, England,France and elsewhere say the exact same thing, this was a valid goal. Your translation may be correct but that's not the point. This goal is valid everywhere in the world except Italy and now it seems even Italy wants to change the wording so such nonsense doesn't happen again.

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